Tried, but, clicking on the “IRC channel” link, above, gets the following error:

“Safari can’t open “irc://irc.freenode.org/#webkit” because Mac OS X doesn’t recognize Internet addresses starting with “irc:”.”

&, isn’t IRC a “chat” medium with no online accessible history?

Are you saying there is no menu bar “Help”, no FAQ, no discussion, no forum, no documentation, other than bug reporting, which is daunting to say the least, readily accessible to the “newbie”, to aid in understanding and running WebKit? IOW, the readily accessible knowledge base here is zero?

If that’s the case, there’s little wonder why I was able to solve the initial problem with Camino, in about 1/10th the time & effort doing the same with WebKit took. And, little wonder so many are using Camino rather than WebKit.

C W

WebKit (the application) is a bit of a sneaky application. It actually starts up Safari, but substitutes a fresh copy of the WebKit (the framework) instead of the system one.

Really though, feel free to stop by irc and ask questions. It’s one of the nicer channels I’ve been in.

Got into WebKit because it solved a prob of Safari crashing within Yahoo! Answers following an update to their site and/or possibly installing the latest PPC security update to OS X, although I discount the latter, as the problem exhibited on my iMac G5, which had been updated, and an my MacBook Pro Intel, which hadn’t been updated, at the same time.

WebKit solved the problem, but introduced some others, such as WebKit crashing on launch with a Style Sheet selected, clicking on a link in Mail apparently launching an iteration of Safari, and some links not acting like links, etc. I’ve looked through the Bug reports, and found workarounds for those probs, but darned if I can figure out if I should file a bug report on them or not, and I don’t know that I have time to get into that, even if I should.

But, the most disconcerting thing is, from my viewpoint I’m running Safari, but, evidently, from my Mac’s and other app’s viewpoint, I’m running WebKit. I use a Kensington Expert Mouse, and I’ve had to duplicate Safari’s setup into a “Webkit” setup, in its preferences, to get it to work the way I want it to in what certainly looks like Safari to me. It says it’s Safari right up there in the Menu Bar.

I’m sure there’s good reason for it, but to a novice it looks like the cart is before the horse.

I feel like I’m in way over my head. Is there some FAQ, discussion, or forum for these kinds of questions, or is this blog the place?

It’s worth pointing out that many of the web-based rich text editors work to a good extent in nightly builds of WebKit. It may be worth evaluating how well the nightly builds support your use as a guide for what you may see in future Safari releases, and filing specific bug reports about areas in which you would like to see improvement.

We need both problems fixed: whatever things FCK and other web editors need to work in Safari, and whatever work needs to be done with Apple’s Java so that Firefox and other browsers can have reliable Java support.

At this point we have to tell users that the Mac is not a fully supported OS, even though all the staff in my area have Macs and prefer Mac OS to Windows.