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	<title>Comments on: Safari on Windows Keyboard and Mouse Shortcuts</title>
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		<title>By: kubio</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-23538</link>
		<dc:creator>kubio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What keys do you use on a Windows PC to select multiple items from a listbox? 

For example, Mozilla use's Control Up/Down arrow keys to move between items and Control + Spacebar to toggle the selection on/off. IE uses Shift+F8, Up/Down Arrow keys, then Control + Spacebar to toggle selection.

I'm running Safari v3.0.4 on XP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What keys do you use on a Windows PC to select multiple items from a listbox? </p>
<p>For example, Mozilla use&#8217;s Control Up/Down arrow keys to move between items and Control + Spacebar to toggle the selection on/off. IE uses Shift+F8, Up/Down Arrow keys, then Control + Spacebar to toggle selection.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m running Safari v3.0.4 on XP.</p>
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		<title>By: AJenbo</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22796</link>
		<dc:creator>AJenbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@WeyrleaderZ: ][ are not where you would expect on all keyboard layout's, to get to them i have to press ALT-GR+9 ALT-GR+8 or ctrl+alt+9 ctrl+alt+8 witch would make the ctrl+shift+] ctrl+shift+[ imposible (ind denmark we have å instead of your [ and ¨ inplace of ], and no ctrl+shift+alt-gr+8 or ctrl+alt+shift+8 dosn't registre the same :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@WeyrleaderZ: ][ are not where you would expect on all keyboard layout's, to get to them i have to press ALT-GR+9 ALT-GR+8 or ctrl+alt+9 ctrl+alt+8 witch would make the ctrl+shift+] ctrl+shift+[ imposible (ind denmark we have å instead of your [ and ¨ inplace of ], and no ctrl+shift+alt-gr+8 or ctrl+alt+shift+8 dosn&#8217;t registre the same <img src='http://webkit.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: WeyrleaderZor</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22666</link>
		<dc:creator>WeyrleaderZor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgot one thing - something I would like to see returned in the PC version of Safari, "Drag-and-drop" of tabs to the bookmark bar (or desktop - to create a link on the desktop to the site). I like being able to drag a tab to a bookmarks bar folder (you can make a folder there in the bookmarks manager and essentially have a drop-down menu (or several if you want) on the bar - I find that handy for keeping things organized and still very close at hand) and dropping it in the folder/position I want it to be in. I don't like that I can't do this in the PC version. At least I can rearrange tabs still...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot one thing - something I would like to see returned in the PC version of Safari, &#8220;Drag-and-drop&#8221; of tabs to the bookmark bar (or desktop - to create a link on the desktop to the site). I like being able to drag a tab to a bookmarks bar folder (you can make a folder there in the bookmarks manager and essentially have a drop-down menu (or several if you want) on the bar - I find that handy for keeping things organized and still very close at hand) and dropping it in the folder/position I want it to be in. I don&#8217;t like that I can&#8217;t do this in the PC version. At least I can rearrange tabs still&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WeyrleaderZor</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22665</link>
		<dc:creator>WeyrleaderZor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can switch between tabs in Safari on Windows in a similar manner that you do on the Mac. On Windows the key-combo is "CTRL+SHIFT+[" and/or "CTRL+SHIFT+]". And it is logically set up that "[" is jumping to the left one tab, and "]" goes one to the right on the tab bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can switch between tabs in Safari on Windows in a similar manner that you do on the Mac. On Windows the key-combo is &#8220;CTRL+SHIFT+[" and/or "CTRL+SHIFT+]&#8220;. And it is logically set up that &#8220;[" is jumping to the left one tab, and "]&#8221; goes one to the right on the tab bar.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Wilson</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22652</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HTML ate my text. I meant the Cmd - Number keyboard shortcuts. For example, Cmd-1 will load the first bookmark in the bookmarks bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HTML ate my text. I meant the Cmd - Number keyboard shortcuts. For example, Cmd-1 will load the first bookmark in the bookmarks bar.</p>
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		<title>By: jeskeca</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22601</link>
		<dc:creator>jeskeca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before we worry about scrollwheel modifier keys, it would be nice if scrollwheel support WORKED properly. Safari 3.0.2 scrollwheel (touchpoint scroll) does not work on my Thinkpad T60p using Vista. Works fine in IE, Firefox, and every other app. 

The taskbar behavior is still broken. Clicking the taskbar icon should toggle between "active, focused" and "minimized". If you click the taskbar button for safari windows, they will not minimize. 

It would also be nice if you could use the native font rendering, because the safari/apple font rendering is blurry and hard to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we worry about scrollwheel modifier keys, it would be nice if scrollwheel support WORKED properly. Safari 3.0.2 scrollwheel (touchpoint scroll) does not work on my Thinkpad T60p using Vista. Works fine in IE, Firefox, and every other app. </p>
<p>The taskbar behavior is still broken. Clicking the taskbar icon should toggle between &#8220;active, focused&#8221; and &#8220;minimized&#8221;. If you click the taskbar button for safari windows, they will not minimize. </p>
<p>It would also be nice if you could use the native font rendering, because the safari/apple font rendering is blurry and hard to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinine</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22593</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ahruman: I agree with mat79, it would be useful to be able to force the .com in the address bar so I can bypass any sort of autocorrection or errors that I would get otherwise. As well, Control - Tab would be a much more useful tab switching shortcut than what we have now, as others have said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ahruman: I agree with mat79, it would be useful to be able to force the .com in the address bar so I can bypass any sort of autocorrection or errors that I would get otherwise. As well, Control - Tab would be a much more useful tab switching shortcut than what we have now, as others have said.</p>
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		<title>By: timeshifting</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22587</link>
		<dc:creator>timeshifting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you could plumb Ctrl+F5 for a forced reload on the win32 builds that would be groovy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you could plumb Ctrl+F5 for a forced reload on the win32 builds that would be groovy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Shanks</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22557</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Shanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we're going to moan about shortcuts, I would like to say that I use Cmd-[ and Cmd-] as my previous and next tab shortcuts. I do this with the "Keyboard &#38; Mouse" system preferences pane, which allows you to configure any command key menu item you like. You can easily set yours to Ctrl-Tab and Shift-Ctrl-Tab if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going to moan about shortcuts, I would like to say that I use Cmd-[ and Cmd-] as my previous and next tab shortcuts. I do this with the &#8220;Keyboard &amp; Mouse&#8221; system preferences pane, which allows you to configure any command key menu item you like. You can easily set yours to Ctrl-Tab and Shift-Ctrl-Tab if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: mcackay</title>
		<link>http://webkit.org/blog/110/safari-on-windows-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/#comment-22555</link>
		<dc:creator>mcackay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A GUI that behaves (an to a certain extent, looks) the way people using an Operating system is extremely important. It's the same reason Apple pushes design guidelines so much to ensure apps for Mac look like apps for Mac.

As such, i think shortcuts and correct (native-system) window behaviour are very important.

As a compromise -- how about a preference setting to allow Windows-like functionality:
    [x] Use Windows-like keyboard shortcuts

From 'future list' above: 
(1) Ctrl+Enter www/com completion for the URL bar.
&#62;&#62; please bear in mind that the US is not the entire world, and that other domain suffixes exists (.co.nz, etc not to mention .net). I can't see the benefit of this shortcut personally.

(3) Ctrl+Tab / Ctrl+Shift+Tab to switch between tabs.
&#62;&#62; Extremely important. Sorry to say guys -- but the mac shortcuts are horrible to change tabs.

(5) The ability to resize the window from any edge (and to respect all taskbar functionality).
&#62;&#62; You need to be able to minimise a window like any other native Windows application. And that means honouring taskbar minimize/maximise, Windows-M to minimise all windows (Safari lingers around); and the Alt-Space, then "n" does not minimise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A GUI that behaves (an to a certain extent, looks) the way people using an Operating system is extremely important. It&#8217;s the same reason Apple pushes design guidelines so much to ensure apps for Mac look like apps for Mac.</p>
<p>As such, i think shortcuts and correct (native-system) window behaviour are very important.</p>
<p>As a compromise &#8212; how about a preference setting to allow Windows-like functionality:<br />
    [x] Use Windows-like keyboard shortcuts</p>
<p>From &#8216;future list&#8217; above:<br />
(1) Ctrl+Enter www/com completion for the URL bar.<br />
&gt;&gt; please bear in mind that the US is not the entire world, and that other domain suffixes exists (.co.nz, etc not to mention .net). I can&#8217;t see the benefit of this shortcut personally.</p>
<p>(3) Ctrl+Tab / Ctrl+Shift+Tab to switch between tabs.<br />
&gt;&gt; Extremely important. Sorry to say guys &#8212; but the mac shortcuts are horrible to change tabs.</p>
<p>(5) The ability to resize the window from any edge (and to respect all taskbar functionality).<br />
&gt;&gt; You need to be able to minimise a window like any other native Windows application. And that means honouring taskbar minimize/maximise, Windows-M to minimise all windows (Safari lingers around); and the Alt-Space, then &#8220;n&#8221; does not minimise.</p>
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