Comments on: Scenes from an Acid Test http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/ All about WebKit development Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:00:28 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Zach http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24837 Zach Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:04:39 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24837 Sorry, the above was meant to be a comment on the squirrelfish blog entry... d'oh Sorry, the above was meant to be a comment on the squirrelfish blog entry… d’oh

]]> By: Zach http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24830 Zach Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:35:00 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24830 Wow! Nice fricken work optimizing Javascript. That's awesome. I've got this little canvas demo where you watch circles smash into smaller circles (or the impatient can grab a circle and manually smash it into the other circles). Here's the default: http://tech.no.logi.es/woodshop/momentum6.php With the latest Webkit build I can totally crank up the smashing into even smaller bits: http://tech.no.logi.es/woodshop/momentum6.php?webkit=1 Try that link in the new webkit build vs Safari vs Firefox. Pretty apparent difference. Wow! Nice fricken work optimizing Javascript. That’s awesome.

I’ve got this little canvas demo where you watch circles smash into smaller circles (or the impatient can grab a circle and manually smash it into the other circles). Here’s the default:

http://tech.no.logi.es/woodshop/momentum6.php

With the latest Webkit build I can totally crank up the smashing into even smaller bits:

http://tech.no.logi.es/woodshop/momentum6.php?webkit=1

Try that link in the new webkit build vs Safari vs Firefox. Pretty apparent difference.

]]> By: Black Bloke http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24301 Black Bloke Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:47:09 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24301 Will SVG images ever be clickable and draggable in Safari/Webkit? I mean in the same way that almost all other images file types are: e.g. JPG, GIF, PNG, etc. Or perhaps the ability is there already and I've only missed it? Will SVG images ever be clickable and draggable in Safari/Webkit? I mean in the same way that almost all other images file types are: e.g. JPG, GIF, PNG, etc.

Or perhaps the ability is there already and I’ve only missed it?

]]> By: jeffr http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24268 jeffr Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:39:05 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24268 This is really awesome. A very inspirational story that all developer teams should learn from. Did Steve Jobs have any comment about this milestone, by the way? This is really awesome. A very inspirational story that all developer teams should learn from. Did Steve Jobs have any comment about this milestone, by the way?

]]> By: foniksonik http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24254 foniksonik Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:31:33 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24254 Great Work Webkit Team! You've accomplished more than I'd ever hoped.... I'll be putting all these new features through their paces soon enough. @dngnta && @giromide re: flash As a web designer/developer/director I can tell you that Flash will be king of interactive for quite some time. There's a lot you can and will be able to do with scripting SVG... but it will take a long time to get up to the level that Flash is capable of. As an example, I created a demo of an optics system that allows you to modify focus across multiple fields of depth. The demo I created uses papervision 3D library to create a panoramic video surface in 360 degrees, which is layered on top of with a video stream object which is then tesselated and bitmap cached multiple times, as in there is one stream but many copies, which is then masked and blurred dynamically and adjustable using a slider control. The net effect of this is that you can pan around the video stream in 360 degrees and adjust the slider to bring several different fields of depth into focus as the slider moves from left to right, with nearest objects in focus when slider is all the way to the left, farthest in focus when all the way to the right. All of this is again accomplished with a single video stream and the ability to clone it's bitmap data to multiple viewports/instances and apply various masks and effects to the clones rather than the original. This would not be easily achievable in OpenGL, much less script + SVG... but in Flash it was more a limitation of imagination rather than technical considerations. Great Work Webkit Team! You’ve accomplished more than I’d ever hoped…. I’ll be putting all these new features through their paces soon enough.

@dngnta && @giromide re: flash

As a web designer/developer/director I can tell you that Flash will be king of interactive for quite some time. There’s a lot you can and will be able to do with scripting SVG… but it will take a long time to get up to the level that Flash is capable of.

As an example, I created a demo of an optics system that allows you to modify focus across multiple fields of depth. The demo I created uses papervision 3D library to create a panoramic video surface in 360 degrees, which is layered on top of with a video stream object which is then tesselated and bitmap cached multiple times, as in there is one stream but many copies, which is then masked and blurred dynamically and adjustable using a slider control. The net effect of this is that you can pan around the video stream in 360 degrees and adjust the slider to bring several different fields of depth into focus as the slider moves from left to right, with nearest objects in focus when slider is all the way to the left, farthest in focus when all the way to the right.

All of this is again accomplished with a single video stream and the ability to clone it’s bitmap data to multiple viewports/instances and apply various masks and effects to the clones rather than the original.

This would not be easily achievable in OpenGL, much less script + SVG… but in Flash it was more a limitation of imagination rather than technical considerations.

]]> By: Sebastian http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24253 Sebastian Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:43:45 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24253 I upgraded the relevant bug entry :) I upgraded the relevant bug entry :)

]]> By: Brad http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24252 Brad Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:31:06 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24252 "until I realized that I had the Adobe-installed SVG plugin (NPSVG3Carbon found in /Library/Internet Plug-ins/). Once I removed that, I got 100/100" So that's what it was!!! I get 100 now too! “until I realized that I had the Adobe-installed SVG plugin (NPSVG3Carbon found in /Library/Internet Plug-ins/). Once I removed that, I got 100/100″

So that’s what it was!!! I get 100 now too!

]]> By: Bakuryuuha http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24249 Bakuryuuha Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:09:23 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24249 You guys do such an awesome job. Congratulations on your 100/100 victory. By the way, I don't know if this is an issue you guys have come across or not ... but running the latest r31436 nightly build, I could only get a 94/100 score for a while ... until I realized that I had the Adobe-installed SVG plugin (NPSVG3Carbon found in /Library/Internet Plug-ins/). Once I removed that, I got 100/100. You might want to consider disabling that plug-in automatically if it interferes with Safari/Webkit's rendering, or at least throw up a user warning that they have it installed and give an option to disable. I'm running on iBook G4 with OS 10.4.11. Anyway, keep up the good work. Webkit is just getting better and better! You guys do such an awesome job. Congratulations on your 100/100 victory.

By the way, I don’t know if this is an issue you guys have come across or not … but running the latest r31436 nightly build, I could only get a 94/100 score for a while … until I realized that I had the Adobe-installed SVG plugin (NPSVG3Carbon found in /Library/Internet Plug-ins/). Once I removed that, I got 100/100. You might want to consider disabling that plug-in automatically if it interferes with Safari/Webkit’s rendering, or at least throw up a user warning that they have it installed and give an option to disable. I’m running on iBook G4 with OS 10.4.11.

Anyway, keep up the good work. Webkit is just getting better and better!

]]> By: dngnta http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24247 dngnta Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:18:46 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24247 I actually think Javascript+SVG could replace a lot of what Flash is being used for today (interactive vector graphics, Flash animations and games. Flash videos can be replaced with the HTML5 video tags, although that's not as important IMHO). Flash has several shortcomings, the most egregious of them being the fact that there still isn't a 64-bit version of the Flash plugin, making Flash all but unusable on 64-bit platforms with 64-bit browsers. Not to mention that JS+SVG is open while Flash is not. But even the practical reasons are unfavorable for Flash. I actually think Javascript+SVG could replace a lot of what Flash is being used for today (interactive vector graphics, Flash animations and games. Flash videos can be replaced with the HTML5 video tags, although that’s not as important IMHO). Flash has several shortcomings, the most egregious of them being the fact that there still isn’t a 64-bit version of the Flash plugin, making Flash all but unusable on 64-bit platforms with 64-bit browsers.

Not to mention that JS+SVG is open while Flash is not. But even the practical reasons are unfavorable for Flash.

]]> By: giromide http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-24246 giromide Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:16:30 +0000 http://webkit.org/blog/174/scenes-from-an-acid-test/#comment-24246 Acid3 is not fluff. Performance should be stressed in a browser, even as internet pipes to homes and businesses slowly get fatter. I'm glad to see from posts above that Opera and WebKit are devoted to reliability as well. Forgive this question as I am a very big n00b in the realm of real hardcore web programming, but is HTML5 meant to supplant the domination of Adobe Flash? When I walk through the web, looking at the more "immersive" pages out there, I can't help but think all the standards and built-in browser abilities in the world won't completely supplant what Flash can do. Acid3 is not fluff. Performance should be stressed in a browser, even as internet pipes to homes and businesses slowly get fatter. I’m glad to see from posts above that Opera and WebKit are devoted to reliability as well.

Forgive this question as I am a very big n00b in the realm of real hardcore web programming, but is HTML5 meant to supplant the domination of Adobe Flash? When I walk through the web, looking at the more “immersive” pages out there, I can’t help but think all the standards and built-in browser abilities in the world won’t completely supplant what Flash can do.

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